Curse

Icy The Mage · Jul 02, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by Skye Marin

Impact of the update:

-Price of ecto is now back at ~5k, swapping between 5.5k and 4.9k buy price at the trader right now.
-SF UW farm is harder and takes more time, but not impossible.
-Other UW fast-run team farming builds need to be adjusted because of the new mobs.
-Other SF farms aren't as effective, like the E/A Air of Superiority Sliver SF Raptor farm build has a higher chance of failing because kills aren't as quick. Other farming builds exist for most other SF farming locations.

Overall, a fair and effective nerf to SF to bring it to the levels of other farming builds in terms of speed compared to difficulty, and restore the value of ectos for those sitting on a few piles. The winners are those who farmed while they could, and those who stockpiled before the price went up. Those who sold off their stacks just lucked out.

As an aside, we now have an extra 30,000 minutes of favour.

Yes we do have the extra favour, I'm glad a-net finally came through on one of their promises (ahem, "never nerf raptor farming again, ahem)

Gun Pierson · Jul 02, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

I think it was inevitable.

Maybe ecto prices will increase drastically in the short term, but will drop again to it's former 5-6k. We'll see.

Some investors with money may buy ectos coming hours. Dragon festival is coming up too, where lots of players gamble away money.

Interesting times.

Joe Fierce · Jul 02, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Smart people, overdid it, held onto ectos, and will be selling in roughly 21 days when favor runs out, dumb people, sold as they farmed, gg, they needed this update, it's nice.

Qwertyfied · Jul 02, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

21 days when favor runs out

Erm, methinks it will be a good few months.

Torabo · Jul 02, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

This update doesn't really do much aside for slow down killing in the chaos planes, and you can ignore the new mobs. However, it has destroyed the effectiveness of pretty much any other SF farming build for areas with enemies that can heal at a decent pace.... so all those people who'd made a sin just for farming ectos, well, can still farm ectos, where as those of us, or at least me, who like to use SF farming builds for other things.... are having trouble killing mobs with monks in them now. I'd rather they nerfed the length of SF instead of this stupid 50% less dmg change. I'd rather be able to farm other things, than to only be able to farm in areas w/o monk (IE chaos planes). -_-

ReZDoGG · Jul 02, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Really bad move on the Shadow Form change. Thankx to all the damn whiners!!!! they shoulda jus changed Mindblades and left Shadowform alone. I think it is a pretty retarded change, and they should change it back. People were complaining about Mindblades, not every other kind of farming. so it pretty much **** up all my Sliver farming.

Dru Stratas · Jul 02, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

I think it's good that the nerf took place, however it's a shame, because it was a fun run to do!
Shame I used the ectos for armor o.O

wakefield · Jul 03, 2008, 12:05 AM // 00:05

God I suck at timing

Just last night I get my sin to TOA and a new rune set

Nadia Roark · Jul 03, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG

Really bad move on the Shadow Form change. Thankx to all the damn whiners!!!! they shoulda jus changed Mindblades and left Shadowform alone. I think it is a pretty retarded change, and they should change it back. People were complaining about Mindblades, not every other kind of farming. so it pretty much f*cked up all my Sliver farming.

Thanks to the damn nerdy azz whiners.

Ugh. Enough with the scapegoating already--if ANet was caving to "whiners," we'd have seen an Ursan nerf months ago, and reporting people for saying "stfu noob" or swearing in all chat might actually result in disciplinary action.

The SF nerf had nothing to do with whiners and everything to do with the fact that it shouldn't have made it out of playtesting.

Wildi · Jul 03, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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The primary goal of this update is to address the high efficiency of Shadow Form farming builds.
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Underworld

* Added Hex Breaker to Mindblade Specters found in the Underworld.
* Several Banished Dream Riders Chaos Plains region of the Underworld have been replaced with Cursed Dream Riders.
* When Cursed Dream Riders are killed, they cause Mindflay Specters to spawn. Mindflay Specters have Signet of Disenchantment instead of Hex Breaker.

Impact of the update:

- uw is harder for the balanced groups, see above why
- more people go ursan

Chico · Jul 03, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Lol.. Anet changed the price back. Didn't want to deal with the QQing.
I'm not glad this was nerfed (and no, I don't even have a Sin). It simply made ectos more affordable to the masses but it wasn't going to drop much more than it had already dropped.

Dru Stratas · Jul 03, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Chico

Lol.. Anet changed the price back. Didn't want to deal with the QQing.

No, I believe it was down to the players, who, aftering hearing news of the update, bought as many ectos as possible; resulting in a player driven rise.

zeth006 · Jul 03, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

I guess I was one of the dumb people who sold ectos while farming....=-(

kratimas · Jul 03, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Has anyone heard or killed enough of the new Mindflay Specters to know if they drop ectos?

Lest121 · Jul 03, 2008, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Anet please remove the 50% reduction, or just put SF back at 21secs and Nerf Perma it takes double the time to kill Raptors now.

mrmango · Jul 03, 2008, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

and dagger SF is still alive!

kool beans.

Not as much, 50% less damage. but swell still. good balancing, honestly.

R.Shayne · Jul 03, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Raptor Farm: Slowed it down, did take me 1 minute, it now takes me 2 minutes, don’t see a problem. Switch dark escape [dark escape] back to intensity [intensity] to get some damage back. As for longer periods and scatter, just use a left hand wall (plenty of those in a cave). The change is more noticeable in the Fenrir cave since fewer enemies in that cave and vermin farms. Just a bit slower on some farms so not a problem. On the vermin and a few other the A/Me is faster now.

Some elite tome farms are completely gone now, just can’t generate enough damage to compensate for healing. The Naphue quarter farm is pretty much over too, Lights can out heal you even with the dragon boss dead.

I got enough ecto for my 3 set of armor so I am only waiting for the price of shards to go back down below 1k. As for the price of Ecto, went up fast but seems to be coming back down. When favor runs out it may cause the price of ecto to increase but doesn’t matter to me, never farmed ecto for gold.

The one thing I am concern about is the speedway groups. They used A/Me so the sin is not affected in the group, what about the terra on the plains, will this make him go away, my elementalist is my least played character because my wife's favorite character is her elementalist so I don't understand the terra tank. Want to make sure I still have people to sell consets too, what else am I going to do with 2000 skill points (been farming a long time on my monk).

I would like to see the damage reduction nerf reduced slightly but I have been at this long enough to know how to role with the punches. Any chance the damage reduction can be taken to something like 25% or even 35%?

Age · Jul 03, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

What, they can't explore it anymore? Adding Sig of Disenchantment suddenly makes the area oh-so-harder?
Look out, now when there's a counter to enchants in UW others will cry. WAAAHmbulane inbound.

There has been alway some form of enchanment removal rend enchantments ring any.

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Orignally Posted by Nadia Roark
People complain about a lot of things in this game--suggesting ANet did what they did as a response to "crying" or "whining" is myopic and absurd. The reasons for the nerf are explained in the update notes and they make perfect sense if you ask me. Monks thought the sky was falling when ANet took a baseball bat to the 55--and lo, we still figured out ways to make money.

How anyone can defend SF is beyond me. It's the most blatant God Mode On Button I've ever seen in any game--except the immortal iddqd. But come on, SF was at least an idspispod, which is damn close. Had no place in the game the way it was, IMO. How it even made it out of playtesting without someone scratching their head and saying "this is a little ridiculous..." is beyond me.

You tell them way to go and they can still solo where as 55 Monk can't or possibly any 55 build for that matter.

BlackSephir · Jul 03, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Age

There has been alway some form of enchanment removal rend enchantments ring any.

So if it was possible then to go with balanced group and "explore" now nothing will change. Gotcha.

Chico · Jul 03, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by Dru Stratas

No, I believe it was down to the players, who, aftering hearing news of the update, bought as many ectos as possible; resulting in a player driven rise.

If the trader changes the price that quickly from 3.7 to 5.5 then it is messed up. I think Anet was involved, but that's just me.